SPN - 6.20

[feliciakw]

I'm going to have to cogitate on this one a bit. Castiel's dilemma is interesting, and uncomfortable-making (which is the point, I realize). Overall, I kind of liked the format, and it was nice to see Castiel praying.

Also, Cas raised Sam from Perdition! But he couldn't quite get all of him through the Cage. I really hope he didn't leave Sam's soul behind on purpose. Surely he would know how bad that would be. But the fact that he tried to give Dean back what he'd sacrificed. Oh, Cas. You're learning the hard way the importance of keeping the lines of communication open.

Loved seeing Cas smite demons. That was fairly awesome. And when he had Crowley up against the wall, I so wanted him to remind Crowley that he could smite him as easy as breathing.

And apparently monsters do have souls. At least, souls of a sort. Who knew?

The ep had a few amusing moments, which yay because the rest of it was very sad, watching things unravel so.

Overall it just kind of hurt. To watch Cas's world crumble around him. To watch Dean come to grips with learning that Cas has been lying to him. To again have someone he trusts and loves betray him and lie to him.

I have a feeling I missed some key lines, since our CW affiliate was blinking in and out tonight. Ugh.

As for the upcoming ep, all I can say is the better not make Lisa evil. Just, no. I feel like crying just thinking about it.

This show is starting to stress me out. Will there be anyone to talk me off the ledge when the time comes?

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[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

As a whole, I think the season has taken some interesting turns and explored (or tried to) some interesting things. Killing or writing off the female characters is a long and time honored tradition on the show, so I don't think Sera is catering to anyone in particular, at least not anymore than they have since the first half of the series.

And I'm reciting my PAL mantra--Previews Always Lie. What they showed us of Lisa could be totally misleading. Though it makes me more than a little nervous.

I've kind of given up on the whole angel thing. At the rate they're going, Castiel is the only character I'll ever like as an angel, and his moral dilemma is interesting from a believing standpoint, even if it is crazy-making from an belief-in-angels standpoint.

I'm afraid, though, that with Izhilzha and Kalquessa both gone from the fandom, there's no one left to talk me off the ledge come season cliffhanger. It's a lonely feeling.

[sarcasticval.livejournal.com]

Izhilzha and Kalquessa both gone from the fandom

They are? Since when? Just behind, methinks.

by killing off and making evil all the women characters
Sorry to butt in, but I wanted to share my two cents. I have never understood this gripe. Yeah, the ladies die on Supernatural--but so do the men! Basically, if your name is not Sam, Dean, Bobby, or Cas make sure not to let the door hit ya on the way out. Also, in the six years that this show has been on the air I feel that so many more of the female characters have been given interesting and developed stories and arcs as compared to their male counterparts. How many fleshed-out ladies have been on this show? Ruby, Lilith, Ellen, Jo, Mary, Missouri, Ava, Pamela, Lisa, Cassie, Tessa, Lenore, Gwen, Madison, Bela, Anna, Meg, etc. And, yeah, most of them are dead, but with the current exception of Crowley and some angels in a pit, so are all of the recurring males.

To answer the question about Cas and Sam's soul, he didn't realize Sam came back without. There's a line in the voiceover where he's watching Sam at the window who is in turn watching Dean, and Cas talks about how sometimes we're given clues and he missed his--Sam turning away from Dean and going on his merry way was the clue Cas was talking about. He should have picked up on the fact that Sam would never have just left his brother like that, that should have been the inkling that something went wrong with his little fishing expedition.

Can I say how much I love the never ending hell line? Because dude.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

To answer the question about Cas and Sam's soul, he didn't realize Sam came back without. There's a line in the voiceover where he's watching Sam at the window who is in turn watching Dean, and Cas talks about how sometimes we're given clues and he missed his

Yes! I remember that. Thank you. Oh, Cas.

They are? Since when? Just behind, methinks.

Well, you see and talk to them much more frequently than I do. (I haven't seen Izhi in almost 4 years, and I've never met Kalquessa in person.) Izhi and I used to talk every week, usually immediately after she'd seen the ep, and debrief for at least an hour. Kalquessa used to write her React-o-Matic posts. Neither of these things have happened in a very long time. Neither of them is on LJ as much as she used to be (with good RL reason, I know). I don't even remember the last time Izhi and I had a conversation about Show (can't remember the last time we talked on the phone, even), and though Kalquessa has tried to call, our schedules just don't seem to synch up where we can both be on the phone at the same time.

They might still be watching the show, but from where I am, on the other side of the continent, they're not in the on-line fandom anymore. I get why, and it's all for good reasons. I just miss having someone to talk through things with, who will help me work through things that annoy me. Who will talk me off the ledge. Ya know?

The never ending line Hell was very Far Side, wasn't it.

[just-ruth.livejournal.com]

I want to apologize. My first reaction was one of anger and hurt watching the episode and I had no business broadcasting those feelings on your journal.

I'm sorry. I hope you'll forgive me.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Thank you. :-) I know this season has been very trying for a lot of people on my f-list. It's kind of why I've often considered giving up my longer commentaries. There are often things I want to mention in depth, but I get the sense that much of my f-list has lost interest and/or patience with the show.

You're forgiven. :-)

[just-ruth.livejournal.com]

If it's any consolation - I'll help catch you?

[izhilzha.livejournal.com]

I'm afraid, though, that with Izhilzha and Kalquessa both gone from the fandom, there's no one left to talk me off the ledge come season cliffhanger. It's a lonely feeling.

HEY. She's a mom and I'm engaged--it's a busy time. I'm not really participating in most fandom right now. It's not just SPN (although frankly, I've never really thought of myself as being "in" SPN online fandom--it's too weird, esp. compared to my other fandoms).

And I'm honestly far too thrilled with Cas's journey from a believer's viewpoint to mind anything Show's doing with him right now. In fact.... *hearts for eyes*

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Chica, I know you're both busy with very important RL stuff. I told Val as much. I was making an observation from where I'm sitting--on the other side of the continent.

And you might not have been "in" on-line fandom, but you wrote fic and wrote reviews (on-line fan activity), and on-line is how we primarily communicate.

It's not what they're doing with Cas that's bothering me, because yes, it's got very interesting ramifications from a believer's point of view, and I've been where Cas is (though not, obviously, to that magnitude)--doing something I know in my heart isn't right, and thinking I can control the situation, and having it end as painfully and disastrously as I feared.

When I wrote that, I was more freaked out about what it appears they're going to do to Lisa and Ben.

[izhilzha.livejournal.com]

It just kind of felt like you were dissing our RL, which really is kind of important at the moment. And I don't watch in real time anymore, because of the move to Fridays, etc, so...

I'm not overly worried about Lisa and Ben, but I don't know if you've been spoiled for stuff--I have not, really, so all I have is the preview, and as you said... PAL. :) We shall see!

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

I was not dissing your RL. Of course weddings and babies are important. Of course they are, and always will be. That you would think that I was insulting that . . . I'm not sure what that says about me, if that's the conclusion you drew. I was expressing an observation and a lament I feel for something this is no longer. If that observation and lament offended you, I'm sorry. Because I lament the loss of something does not mean I begrudge you what you've gained. Your gain is more important than my loss, but that doesn't mean I don't feel it and miss what's missing.

I also misspoke in something I wrote in my reply to Val, and for that, I am deeply sorry and regretful.

I'll be watching the season enders with my mom next week. That should be interesting. :-)

[izhilzha.livejournal.com]

Oh, I'm sorry--I didn't mean to ask you to apologize or anything. :( I just was a little startled when I came to read this after catching up, and thought... "Well, I can do exactly zero about that right now, but that doesn't mean I don't still like the show" (and you), so I reacted a bit off-the-cuff.

You're allowed to miss us, of course (although that feels odd to write!). *hugs*

And I can't wait to see you in October.

Sometimes I wish I could watch SPN with my mom. But even though I've explained it to her, it would still be so far outside her comfort zone I can't even imagine. Ah well.