"We can't be in this with you." That's really vague.
I had a totally different reaction. ;) I didn't think the line "Me and Ben can't be in this with you," *hang-up* before Dean can say anything, left any room for interpretation. Remember, in the same goodbye speech Lisa says that as soon as Sam came back, "I knew it was over."
Which is why I found it so baffling that they did what amounted to an unnecessary retcon in that mannequin episode where suddenly we're led to believe Lisa turned around and started calling incessantly and Dean refused to take her calls. We never heard or saw any evidence of that, and if Dean was still pining, why didn't he pick up the phone? None of it made sense to me.
Plus, we know that not only was Lisa not happy to see Dean again anyway, she's got another steady beau on the line. I got the impression they only threw Lisa and Ben into that story because of questions they may have received as to whether Lisa and Ben were coming back. Despite the use of present tenses from Dean when he's working on the car at the end, we've never seen any evidence that Dean has thought about them at all since then.
I don't know, I was on board with the whole Lisa&Ben thing before the season started - I thought the producers were really going to do something with this. But it ended up being a go-nowhere d-plot at best that only sidelined Dean whenever it showed up. Plus, I found it really strange, and disappointing, that neither character - Dean or Lisa - ever used the word "love" to describe their relationship, or said "I love you" to each other.
It's not the scenario story that I wanted for Dean, especially since I get the impression Jensen wasn't thrilled with it, nor am I feeling it from Dean as a character. And I really wanted to. I remember one of Ben Edlund's press vids from Comic Con before the season started where he laughed off the notion of Dean being with Lisa and said it was a mistake because the Braedens were nothing more than a "rebound". I was shocked that was the attitude the producers had right from the start. So why did they bother in the first place?
Anyway, all that being said, to go back to your original point of the post, I still find it hard to believe they would kill off the Braedens. Not only would it be super-redundant ala the deaths of Mary and Jessica specifically, but it's more tricky to kill off a kid too. Yeah, they've killed off kids before, but not young children who were involved in any kind of family way with the Winchesters. I could be wrong, of course, but right now I'm not anticipating it. I think I could more easily believe a mind-wipe kind of thing to keep them safe, where they don't remember Dean after that, so it's like the relationship never happened. I don't know why I feel like that could happen, but it sort of goes along with your feeling about the Winchesters being erased from history.
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Date: 2011-04-20 12:51 am (UTC)I had a totally different reaction. ;) I didn't think the line "Me and Ben can't be in this with you," *hang-up* before Dean can say anything, left any room for interpretation. Remember, in the same goodbye speech Lisa says that as soon as Sam came back, "I knew it was over."
Which is why I found it so baffling that they did what amounted to an unnecessary retcon in that mannequin episode where suddenly we're led to believe Lisa turned around and started calling incessantly and Dean refused to take her calls. We never heard or saw any evidence of that, and if Dean was still pining, why didn't he pick up the phone? None of it made sense to me.
Plus, we know that not only was Lisa not happy to see Dean again anyway, she's got another steady beau on the line. I got the impression they only threw Lisa and Ben into that story because of questions they may have received as to whether Lisa and Ben were coming back. Despite the use of present tenses from Dean when he's working on the car at the end, we've never seen any evidence that Dean has thought about them at all since then.
I don't know, I was on board with the whole Lisa&Ben thing before the season started - I thought the producers were really going to do something with this. But it ended up being a go-nowhere d-plot at best that only sidelined Dean whenever it showed up. Plus, I found it really strange, and disappointing, that neither character - Dean or Lisa - ever used the word "love" to describe their relationship, or said "I love you" to each other.
It's not the scenario story that I wanted for Dean, especially since I get the impression Jensen wasn't thrilled with it, nor am I feeling it from Dean as a character. And I really wanted to. I remember one of Ben Edlund's press vids from Comic Con before the season started where he laughed off the notion of Dean being with Lisa and said it was a mistake because the Braedens were nothing more than a "rebound". I was shocked that was the attitude the producers had right from the start. So why did they bother in the first place?
Anyway, all that being said, to go back to your original point of the post, I still find it hard to believe they would kill off the Braedens. Not only would it be super-redundant ala the deaths of Mary and Jessica specifically, but it's more tricky to kill off a kid too. Yeah, they've killed off kids before, but not young children who were involved in any kind of family way with the Winchesters. I could be wrong, of course, but right now I'm not anticipating it. I think I could more easily believe a mind-wipe kind of thing to keep them safe, where they don't remember Dean after that, so it's like the relationship never happened. I don't know why I feel like that could happen, but it sort of goes along with your feeling about the Winchesters being erased from history.