Season cliffie speculation
Apr. 16th, 2011 10:01 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Still waiting for iTunes to get their act together and give me my download. Last night's ep has been uploaded, but my queue isn't downloading for some reason. Bleh.
Anyway. I'm not spoiled for the end of the season, but a few tumblers clicked into place this morning and here's what I'm speculating:
This is partly thanks to
tahirire, who said that:
Like how the fact that three people said it was better to never be born than to die. Like how if three people say something, statistically it makes it a fact.
When that was said multiple times in last night's ep (actually, the first time it was said in last night's ep), I thought back to "The Song Remains the Same," when Dean told Mary that there's a difference between dying and never being born in the first place, and that he and Sam were totally okay with that.
This got me to thinking about the series finale of Newhart, wherein the entire series was a dream, and none of it ever happened. (This first happened, to the best of my knowledge, on Dallas, when Pam Ewing woke up to find her dead husband in the shower. Turned out that the entire season of Bobby (Ewing) being dead had been a dream.)
And then, it smacks me upside the head . . . That's going to be the season cliffhanger. Sam and Dean are going to cease to exist. They've never been born. None of it ever happened.
This plays well into a couple clues I've received:
1) That Jim Beaver (unrepentant fan tease that he is) said that no one was expecting "that" to happen.
2) In last night's preview, Cas says that the farther back in time he sends Sam and Dean, the harder it is to retrieve them.
Somehow, in some way, to save Sam and Dean from whatever horrible fate (Fate?) they face in the season finale, rather than watch them suffer, Cas is going to make Sam and Dean cease to exist.
Either that, or they're going to get trapped in time or in an alternate timeline/universe, because that, too, seems to be a prevalent theme this season, and rather goes along with the "mirror image" theme we've been talking about this season.
Eep! And Jensen pointed out the fact that killing Dean (and Sam) off is no longer an effective cliffie because meh, we know they'll be back. They can't fake us out with that anymore.
But to totally wipe Sam and Dean out of existence? That might leave me flailing.
Of course, now that I've speculated this, one of two things will happen:
A) This will not happen, because I guessed it, and I rarely, if ever, guess these things.
2) I'll be prepared for this, and so it will not have the flail-inducing effect that, say, the Impala being T-boned by a semi did at the end of S1. (Still one of the best all-time reaction-generating cliffies I've seen. Worthy of a Farscape cliffie, and that's saying something.)
Anyway, there ya go. I need a "surprise" icon.
Now my brain hurts.
Anyway. I'm not spoiled for the end of the season, but a few tumblers clicked into place this morning and here's what I'm speculating:
This is partly thanks to
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Like how the fact that three people said it was better to never be born than to die. Like how if three people say something, statistically it makes it a fact.
When that was said multiple times in last night's ep (actually, the first time it was said in last night's ep), I thought back to "The Song Remains the Same," when Dean told Mary that there's a difference between dying and never being born in the first place, and that he and Sam were totally okay with that.
This got me to thinking about the series finale of Newhart, wherein the entire series was a dream, and none of it ever happened. (This first happened, to the best of my knowledge, on Dallas, when Pam Ewing woke up to find her dead husband in the shower. Turned out that the entire season of Bobby (Ewing) being dead had been a dream.)
And then, it smacks me upside the head . . . That's going to be the season cliffhanger. Sam and Dean are going to cease to exist. They've never been born. None of it ever happened.
This plays well into a couple clues I've received:
1) That Jim Beaver (unrepentant fan tease that he is) said that no one was expecting "that" to happen.
2) In last night's preview, Cas says that the farther back in time he sends Sam and Dean, the harder it is to retrieve them.
Somehow, in some way, to save Sam and Dean from whatever horrible fate (Fate?) they face in the season finale, rather than watch them suffer, Cas is going to make Sam and Dean cease to exist.
Either that, or they're going to get trapped in time or in an alternate timeline/universe, because that, too, seems to be a prevalent theme this season, and rather goes along with the "mirror image" theme we've been talking about this season.
Eep! And Jensen pointed out the fact that killing Dean (and Sam) off is no longer an effective cliffie because meh, we know they'll be back. They can't fake us out with that anymore.
But to totally wipe Sam and Dean out of existence? That might leave me flailing.
Of course, now that I've speculated this, one of two things will happen:
A) This will not happen, because I guessed it, and I rarely, if ever, guess these things.
2) I'll be prepared for this, and so it will not have the flail-inducing effect that, say, the Impala being T-boned by a semi did at the end of S1. (Still one of the best all-time reaction-generating cliffies I've seen. Worthy of a Farscape cliffie, and that's saying something.)
Anyway, there ya go. I need a "surprise" icon.
Now my brain hurts.
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Date: 2011-04-16 02:44 pm (UTC)I also like the AU thing. I could see something drastic happening, like Sammy's wall going kaplooty, and Dean begging Cas to zap them back to AU city. Or, zaps them to unborn city!
My only issue with the unborn thing is, the guys already lived thru 30 years of shit. The pain has already happened. But if they were never born, it didn't happen? But it did....
My brain hurts, too.
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Date: 2011-04-16 03:28 pm (UTC)Or, it could be that Raphael wipes them out of existence, and Cas brings them back.
My brain, it hurts.
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Date: 2011-04-16 03:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-16 04:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-16 04:29 pm (UTC)But I LIKE it. You could go in a million directions with that single concept. If Sam and Dean were never born, would Mary and John still be alive?
I think the AU stuff is overdone - Show seems to go there more frequently than they ought to - but this particular idea, I'd like to see them tackle. As you've brought up, they've killed people and then un-killed them WAY too often. It has no impact any more.
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Date: 2011-04-16 05:23 pm (UTC)