Well, hm . . . .

[feliciakw]

I think I've read this fic. Or at least parts of it.

This isn't the squee of last week, though there were certainly moments that amused me greatly. It's been a long time since Dean has taken care of a baby, huh. Either that, or John wasn't as hands-off as fandom would lead us to believe.

There was some good--though very uncomfortable--character stuff going on here. I'll have to cogitate on it.

We lost Mark! Already! If the rest of the Campbells aren't baddies, then their days are numbered, methinks.

Though there is some understandable mistrust between Dean and the Campbells, I gotta say that I kinda felt for Christian and his wife, for reasons that should be apparent to those who've been following this LJ.

However, throwing Dean's time in the Pit back at him? Low blow, dude. Totally uncalled for.

Lisa continues to be awesome. It kinda hurt when she told Dean to leave, because I knew how Dean was going to hear it. But Lisa being the awesome gal that she is, I'm glad she pointed out that it doesn't have to be an either/or proposition. She thinks outside the box. Here's hoping I get my Harvelle dynamic.

Also, she's a quick study with a semi-automatic. Though kalquessa? She called it a clip. I cringed on your behalf.

Poor Ben. Wants to do what Dad Dean does. It's probably the first time Dean has raised his voice to Ben since he moved in.

I really hope that we see more of Lisa and Ben from time to time. That Dean calls and checks in on a regular basis.

And who was Samuel talking to, anyway?

Dean uncovering the Impala, with a genuine smile. That sort of took the edge off. Because I do love to see him smile.

(Geo said that that sequence with the Impala was A) like the scene when Sweeney Todd gets his razors back; and B) their version of porn. I agreed with him on both counts.)

I just . . . I'll have to see this one again before I can say any more about it. Some fun stuff, good character stuff, some uncomfortable stuff, and questions.

I just don't know how I feel about this one. There wasn't anything wrong with it but it was just . . . discomfiting.

ETA: If things continue in this manner, this season is gonna give "it's about family" a whole 'nother twist. Yeesh.

Comments

[leelust.livejournal.com]

But that's the point. We now judge characters from what we saw and know NOW. If we'd discuss everything after the season was over there would be no discussion at all because we already would knew everything. Discussions are usually based on theories and what show decided to give us to build those theories.

I see your point in explaining Sam's motives and i would agree if sam wouldn't know how important this secret was for Dean. If it would be just another wound or hunt went wrong i wouldn't see any problem with him telling in to Campbells. but he knew how important it is for Dean and how private it was and he ignored it. And it's not the first time actually.
See, everyone knows that the souls in hell are tortured. But not everyone knows that Dean was asked to torture himself. Sam could assume that Dean was tortured and broke and that was the first seal (because at some lever it was) and he could leave the torturing thing aside and not mention it because the Campbells didn't have any proof if he was lying to them or not.
Also explaining that it wasn't Dean's fault would mean that at that time sam cared about Dean but him t not telling Dean he's alive tells me sam didn't care about Dean all that year. So i assume he told them abouot torturing not because he was explaining that the first seal wasn't Dean's fault but because Campbells were interested in master for torture or something like that. It could make sense considering the cage in the truck and them ctching monsters alive (i won't be surprised if they're experimenting on them).

I'm just more inclined to try to see things from both characters' points of view, I guess
It's ok but seeing things from sam's POV doesn't make it right for me. I can see why he would tell the Campbells but i can't justify it and actually i don't want to. I think the sooner sam will get a wake up call the better.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Also explaining that it wasn't Dean's fault would mean that at that time sam cared about Dean but him t not telling Dean he's alive tells me sam didn't care about Dean all that year.

This is another point I can't really go with. Sam is distant and has weird and misguided reasons for doing what he did, but I don't think that he no longer cares for Dean. We're not getting the whole story, but if it comes out that Sam no longer has any feelings of affection of any sort for Dean, that . . . won't work.

It's ok but seeing things from sam's POV doesn't make it right for me. I can see why he would tell the Campbells but i can't justify it and actually i don't want to.

Of course seeing something from someone's point of view doesn't make it right. If I've given the impression that I approve of what Sam's been doing, I'm not communicating myself clearly. But seeing something from someone else's point of view helps us understand why he does what he does, and though it doesn't justify it, it will hopefully help us learn.

I think the sooner sam will get a wake up call the better.

Well, that, at least, we agree on. Though after tonight's ep, I'm not convinced that there isn't something going on that is maybe hampering or suppressing Sam's Sammy-ness.