Observation

[feliciakw]

I have an opinion, and I have Internet access. What more does a person need these days?

Standard Disclaimer: I do not know Jensen Ackles. I have never met the man. Sadly, I never expect to meet the man (though you never know, right?). I only know what I read about him or have seen or heard in interviews. I know even less of his girlfriend. I've seen her in TIH, and the extras on the DVD, and I've run across a couple Maxim interviews with her here and there. However, I am well aware that there is a vocal portion of Jensen's fanbase that holds an active animosity toward the girl. And I've made some observations on this topic via a couple of recent con reports. (Both can be found via the Supernatural Wiki link.)

ETA: Ooh! Wait! I have seen Danneel in something else. She was on CSI once. That's actually probably where I saw her first.

I was in quite a frame of mind about this earlier in the morning, but after being at work awhile, the passion with which I was going to express myself has subsided. This is probably a good thing. But I told kimmer1227 that I would share my thoughts, so here it is. On to the topic at hand.

As anyone who observes Jensen's fanbase with any sort of attention surely knows, there is a significant portion of fans who vehemently dislike his girlfriend, Danneel Harris. There is also a less vocal portion that likes her, or that are indifferent to her. What I find interesting about the difference between the two con reports I read is the striking difference between the reactions of the fans, and the response they received.

One report describes Danneel as a drama queen and a bitch, and yet reading the report itself, and the dialogue the report writer describes? I don't see a drama queen in the vein of bitchy prima dona. I wasn't there to see body language and hear vocal intonation, but the report I read depicted to me a girl who was feeling out of her element and letting it get the better of her. Here she is, knowing she's actively hated by a large percentage of her boyfriend's admirers--who are, if the 'Net is any indication, more vocal (and quite vulgar in their expression of their animosity) than those of J's admirers who like her--and Jensen asks her to sign a TIH script for a fan. What does Danneel do? She's already very uncomfortable in her surroundings. The fan in question did not ask for the autograph; Jensen suggested it. It sounds to me like Jensen was trying to include Danneel, perhaps even (and I'm putting thoughts in his head, here, so keep in mind that this is just my supposition) trying to get her to interact with his fans in a neutral and appropriate way. How long has Jensen been doing this sort of thing? Since his DoOL days and mall appearances? This is old hat to him. But what about her? I'm thinkin', not so much, and the audience here is decidedly hostile toward her. (Put her at a Maxim autograph session, for example, and I would expect her to be more comfortable.) The report describes Danneel as saying, "I mean, she [the fan] probably didn’t want my signature on it anyway." This, to me, does not read "bitch." It reads as a girl who lacks confidence in herself and her ability to win over and relate to the audience. Her boyfriend put her on the spot, and she choked in one of the worst ways possible: leaving a bad impression on fans who already dislike her. (As I said, I wasn't there to hear her vocal inflection. Perhaps she did say it in a passive-aggressive way that could be interpreted as arrogance. I don't know.) And rather than being encouraging, the fan comes back with a "well, if you don't want too . . ." (Which could have been said snidely or with compassion. I wasn't there.) It sounds to me like Danneel needs to get over fears and confidence issues (or just get over herself) and learn to interact with the fans in a convivial manner if she wants the situation to change. And fans need to tone down the "I hate your guts why are you here with this splendid man" vibe she's probably hypersensitive to.

I've also seen it asked why she would even go to the con if she was that uncomfortable. Well, let's see. Her boyfriend is in town for all of, what, a day? And if she wants to spend any time with him at all, guess where it's going to have to be. Yep. The con. Of course, it's not quality time, and I can speak from experience, as a woman who often has to give up her husband to the job during public (or even family) events. Geo is often recruited as event photographer or videographer, which means his attention is on the event and the people around him, not me. Sometimes I assist him, simply for the opportunity of being at the event "together" (or because I don't know anyone else there and it's easier to be uncomfortable beside him rather than be uncomfortable in a crowd of strangers), or I go find someone I know to hang with. It's just a guess, but I'm thinking she probably attended because he asked her to, so they could spend some time (however busy) together.

Contrast this to the fan who was excited to get Danneel's autograph on the TIH DVD. That fan received a smile and what I imagine was a heart-felt "thank you" from Jensen (and a possibly related? wink from Jared). Why? My guess is because that fan didn't give off the "I don't like you, but I'll get your autograph because you're Jensen's girlfriend and he's sitting right here" vibe, but instead was actually delighted to get two autos from two actors who were in the movie (who happen to be dating). There's no indication in the brief anecdote what Danneel's reaction was, but just the different vibe from the fan changed the whole tone of the interaction, at least from Jensen's reactions.

It sounds like I'm trying to defend the girl, I know. But, whatever. I tries to call it like I sees it. And based on what I (think I) know of Jensen, I can't imagine him dating a self-centered prima dona with no socially redeeming qualities for two and a half years. I'm actually more inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt and guess that what comes across as rudeness and aloofness is actually a cover hiding a scared young woman who needs to grow up and learn to deal cordially with her boyfriend's admirers, and perhaps everyday women (meaning not in The Biz) in general.

See? This is how associations affect perceptions. I've chosen to perceive Danneel through my Jensen lens. He reflects well on her. But it works both ways. Her behavior reflects on him as well. Here's hoping he's good for her, and that she, too, in their private lives, is good for him.

I think I'll stop now, since I'm doing what I've complained about others doing, which is making sweeping observations when we don't (and never will) have the whole story from any party.

And wow. Wasn't that a long walk off a short pier.

In other news, March is going out like a lamb today.

Comments

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

The problem is that what I'm reading as discomfort is apparently being interpreted as rudeness. And that's not good. On the very surface level, it's not good for her PR. Dig a little deeper, and it's not a good reflection on Jensen. Dig even deeper, and I think the seeming rudeness shows a lack of self-confidence when dealing with "the masses", i.e., the fans. You don't have to be a pretender (or comfortable, even) to be pleasant. Imo, she'd do well to work on that.

I would also imagine that there was some uncertainty about how to handle her giving out autographs when she wasn't figured into any of the contracts. She wasn't an advertised guest, but she was still signing autographs (at the urging of others). I can see how that might be awkward, if contractual language and business details are a concern to her. (Actually, this kinda makes me love Jensen even a little bit more, because whether he's consciously trying to or not, he's theoretically benefiting both fan and girlfriend by encouraging her to participate: fan gets an unexpected bonus autograph, and girlfriend has to learn to interact with J's fans. He's a smart cookie, our Jensen.)

[thehighwaywoman.livejournal.com]

(Came here via just-ruth) After reading this, first: *thank you* for the common sense. When viewing the situation through this different perspective, I can see the shyness and uncertainty with the social situation... which is more often than not what Jensen himself is reported to be like when he's "on his own" at cons and the like. I can see how they're drawn together, and it's all the more romantic. I'm an RPS'er. My tin hat sparkles and shines, but at the end of the day I'm happy that Jensen has someone who loves him enough to come and brave the hostility just to be with him. That's damned rare in today's world, and should be honored, not vilified.

[luthien-af.livejournal.com]

I'm an RPS'er. My tin hat sparkles and shines, but at the end of the day I'm happy that Jensen has someone who loves him enough to come and brave the hostility just to be with him. That's damned rare in today's world, and should be honored, not vilified.
Couldn't have said it better! :)

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Greetings, and welcome! Glad my common sense is useful.

As I'm not a fan of RPF (in any fic genre), the stuff that gets written about him in RPF vis-a-vis his real life really doesn't register with me. He's a real person, with friends and family and co-workers and a girlfriend and career and life experiences, and that's what interests me about Jensen. (I'm particularly interested in him as an actor, as you'll see if you read some of my previous posts.)

I know he's been reported as being "shy," (and I've heard him apply that term to himself), but what others interpret as "shy," I tend to think of as "reserved." He's certainly, I think, become more acclimated to the convention environment, and he's an amazingly good sport to open himself up to the screaming masses like that. For his girlfriend to be placed into that environment . . . well, I imagine that it will take her, too, some time to acclimate, particularly since she's in a position where she has to "prove herself" to her boyfriend's fans.

One of the things I think is good about the relationship (keeping in mind that I've never observed them together; I only have what he says in interviews to go by) is that they aren't just romantically involved, they're also friends. I find that to be very important, and more lasting than the hot passion of infatuation. I do hope they're good for each other, and you're right. That's something that should not be vilified.

[luthien-af.livejournal.com]

Came here via Google Alerts, and I just wanted to say:

YES!!! You're absolutely right!

And while I love reading RPS, I know what it is: fiction. In the end, I'm just glad he's found someone he cares about, and that person returns the feelings. Shouldn't everyone be glad about that, and not want to kill her for that?

You're explanation about her behaviour sounds about right, and it's pretty understandable too. I mean, if you look at how Jensen was, only a few years back, and now? He didn't have crazy fangirls like this before, so I guess it was all new to him, too. He's had to work on how to act in these kind of situations, and I know it's different from your BF's fans who hate your guts, but Jensen's been attacked by crazy fans too... I'm feeling bad for both of them, because of the crazy women, but at least there're some with some sense too. And they've got each other.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Hey, thanks for stopping by! Welcome.

Not being a fan of RPF in any form, stuff that shows up in RPF vis-a-vis RL doesn't ping my radar. Jensen has his real life, his real career, his real friends, and his real experiences, and that's what interests me (particularly his acting, as you'll see if you read through past posts). And yes, I'm happy for him that he's in what appears to be a happy relationship with someone he cares about and who cares about him.

I imagine the wild-crazy fan!girls were an adjustment for him. But if he was as popular as I understand him to have been on DoOL, and he did mall appearances . . . soap fans can be some pretty crazy fans. However, I can't imagine that any of his mall appearances would have held the sheer number of people that a Creation con can accommodate. And he is an incredibly good sport to put himself in front of hundreds of crazy fans (some of whom are old enough to be his mother, no doubt) who catcall him and make questionable and/or embarrassing and/or inappropriate comments about his person and his personal life. Especially for someone who isn't actively seeking that kind of attention. Shy? Maybe. But what so many other fans describe as "shy," I see as "reserved." I've seen him play along with the fans, and I've seen him do the proverbial "take a breath and count to ten before you say anything."

I'm also amazed at the misinterpretations that have cropped up in some reports that I can then find the corresponding vid clip to . . . and what was reported was not what he said at all. It was all the interpretation of the fan writing the report. (That's why I prefer vid clips to fan reports, as a general rule.)

See? Now you've got me babbling and wandering OT, and I need to be getting to work. :-) So apologies if this seems a bit rushed. Thanks again for stopping by. Glad you made yourself known.

[luthien-af.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, people interest me :). It's just that I'm a crazy slasher (since LOTR, actually), but I have the ability to keep those two seperate. Slash and real life. Apparently a lot of people can't. I mean, sure, it's cute that J&J are so comfortable around each other, and get along so well, but I don't think they're fucking or in a romantic relationship. They're friends, and well, dreaming is nice, right? ;)

And you're right, he doesn't seem all that shy, even though he's said that about himself once I think. I love that he *does* have the ability to play along with the fans. I admire that about him. Especially with all the crazy/inappropriate questions they ask him.

And you're right, vids are *way* better than fan reports! I usually just want to watch videos, and I read a report once in a while, but if I think people are interpreting things the wrong way, I'm out of there!

Heh, and I know all about the babbling, so don't worry :). And I just couldn't *not* say anything ;).

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Slash doesn't interest me--never has--for a variety of reasons.

J&J are so comfortable around each other, and get along so well

This is one of the things I love about them as people--that they genuinely get along and take care of each other, that they really are good friends. They're just so real about it. I hope they can keep in touch when the show is no longer in production.

And they're such guys. They crack me up.

You're keeping up with spnwiki, yes? More vids have been posted today, many of them Jensen vids (including the pickle & rice crack-up). Hee!

And I just couldn't *not* say anything

Well, thank you. :-) I appreciate it. I'm delighted you stopped by and that my words inspired you to comment. :)

[luthien-af.livejournal.com]

Each their own, right? ;)

I hope they can keep in touch when the show is no longer in production.
Oh yeah, me too! :)

They're just too funny. I love listening to them talking :).

I haven't been following SPNwiki, but I'm looking at it now :). Thanks for mentioning it. I'd love to see Jensen cracking up like that! :P

[fergus80.livejournal.com]

Thank you!

I was there at the con. And while I didn't talk to her. I did watch her. She was in the main room when they were speaking, actively listening and laughing with everyone. She put herself into a room with screaming fan girls for him!

Then during the autographs I watched her, and she hugged some fans, took pictures with others. Signed autographs. One of my friends got one on a blank sheet of paper for a friend of hers, and she was absolutely nice to her. So I think the girl in the story herself did something to make Danneel feel like she shouldn't.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Hey, welcome! Thanks for stopping by, and thanks for sharing your own observations from the con. Though I don't really have an opinion on Danneel as a person, and I've got reservations about her chosen career path, that really has nothing to do with how fans treat her as an individual, and the vicious talk that gets spread via the 'Net these day.

I really do think that how the fans approach her probably influences how she reacts to them. Because really, aren't we all like that?

[maynay82.livejournal.com]

"I was there at the con. And while I didn't talk to her. I did watch her. She was in the main room when they were speaking, actively listening and laughing with everyone. She put herself into a room with screaming fan girls for him!"

Really?? Where exactly was she sitting?

[fergus80.livejournal.com]

She was standing actually. It was on the left if you are sitting, on the right if you are on stage. In the gold area, near row C and B I think.

[maynay82.livejournal.com]

Thanks!

Actually, judging by what she was wearing I think I see her in one of the PR shots.

Also, I absolutely love Danneel, and I love the two of them together – so kudos to you for being an upstanding fan girl :)

[sarcasticval.livejournal.com]

Do you watch How I Met Your Mother? She was in an episode of that too.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Well, my bro shared some of his S1 DVDs, but if I did see her on HIMYM, I don't know it. Huh.

[sarcasticval.livejournal.com]

Nah, it was an episode last season, I think. She was really cute, and caused me to have a slight breakdown. ("She's sooooo beautiful and talented and tiny and this is the kind of girls the guys I want (see: all of LA) want and I'm never going to be that girl and therefore I'm going to DIE ALONE!!!!" My head, it is a special place.)

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

We've talked about this to some extent in private e-mail:

She's sooooo beautiful

Yes, but not in a particularly unique way, to my eye. *shrug*

and talented

Really? Please to be elaborating. Because what little I've seen of her hasn't really been what you might call a stretch. Right now her career appears to be centered around her looks, rather than talent, so playing the flirt or the vixen doesn't seem all that challenging. (Keep in mind that I've never seen her in One Tree Hill, and I don't know what she's like in real person, and I haven't seen her play variety, so I don't have much of a pool of information to go on.)

One of my litmus tests for whether or not an actor is "good" (as in "I want to be as good as him/her when I grow up!") is whether or not I could do what they're doing. I can't really use that as a basis for Danneel, though, as we are of two different body and character types. She's the vixen or beautiful lead or what have you, and I'm the character actress. As a general rule, I would not be cast in her roles, and she would be somewhat miscast in mine. (Though the beauty of the role I usually end up with is that they can be cast a number of different ways. Which makes for more competition for me . . . meh.)

So given that I haven't seen her play a variety, and I can't really go by my own experience in the roles she does play, and the roles she does play don't seem too far off from her already established public persona, I can't honestly say that I think she's a good actress. In fact, I'd like to see her work on that . . . work on branching out and finding roles that might be more of a challenge.

You know, if I were actually interested enough to follow her career.

and tiny

Please do not to be getting me started on how Hollywood misrepresents the "typical" woman. Thank you.

and this is the kind of girls the guys I want (see: all of LA)

*deep breath* No comment.

want and I'm never going to be that girl,

And believe me, the guy you end up with, who is your soul mate (if you believe in such things) won't care. When people ask me why I married Geo, one of my responses is that I love him because he doesn't expect me to be something I'm not. (Among many other reasons.)

and therefore I'm going to DIE ALONE!!!!"

No. You won't. That's really all I can say right now.

My head, it is a special place.

It is, indeed. *pats Val on her head*

[sarcasticval.livejournal.com]

Oh, I didn't say there was logic to the breakdown ;) It wasn't even about her, really, just a reflection on how hard it is to be a normal girl in a sea of beautiful people.

[erinrua.livejournal.com]

Here via links from Iforgetwhere ... Thank you. You are sensible and level headed. I find that awesome.

And some fans dearly need a bitch-slapping. Though I wish Jensen hadn't put the poor girl out there. He meant well, but sounds like a misfire ...

Anywho, just wanted to salute your evenhandedness! :-)

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Hola! Thanks for stopping by!

And thank you again. I'm glad my sensibilities are useful. :-)

There are many, many aspects of fandom that well and truly drive me nuts. Having observed some of it up close and personal several years back, I lost my overwhelming desire to attend events wherein multiple hundreds of fans congregate. (Need for said slapping being not the least among my reasons.) Still, I feel a pull to see the Boys in person, so yeah. That is my inner fannish conflict. Heh.

Danneel is in a tough position, I think. As long as she stays "hidden," rumors and innuendo run rampant and amok. But as soon as she makes an appearance, she gets grief and vitriol. I know nothing about her as a person (though I do have reservations regarding the path she's chosen to take with her career), but it kinda seems to me that she needs to buck up and stand up and be the confident woman Jensen deserves.

Because, you know, it's all about what I think. ;-)

And in a total non sequitur, you, my good woman, are partially responsible for the cringe I display whenever a fic references Dean's favorite Glock. You, and the fact that the Colt emblem is clearly visible on Dean's pistol of choice. Your Weapons Box was one of the first sites I found when I first started surfing the fandom. It was also one of the first sites I recced to kalquessa, who is, herself, a gun aficionado. Good stuff. *thumbs up*

Also? Nice icon. *stares*

[erinrua.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don't envy Danneel's situation at all. If she stands up, she's labeled a bitch, and if she's reluctant, she's labeled a snobby bitch. I honestly don't see a winning situation for that poor girl. No matter what she does, a portion of Jensen's fans are going to rabidly hate her. Bleh.

But yeah, I personally think it would be better if she did find the wherewithal and take the *stronger* path, so at least if she's gonna be slandered, she gets slandered for having brass. *g*

And LOL, oopsie, sorry to have induced a Glock-related cringe reflex! Hee! Thank you so much for visiting my Weapons site! I'm very glad you likey. It's a cute little hobby for me to have. *g* (Non sequiturs are our friends ...)

The icon is totally snaggable. :-)

[kimmer1227.livejournal.com]

Felicia, I almost missed this, and I spurred you on. *bad flistie*

Thank you so much. I had calmed down about it a bit since this morning, but then saw some more crap tonight over at spn.tv that just annoyed me all over again, but she was at least defended more over there. Like you say, the contract in the stories tells it all. Some of the main bitchy comments made it sound like she was hovering over his shoulder practically glaring at fans, but the pictures that were posted show she wasn't even that close to him.

The comments that upset me the most were the ones that said things like "the girl behind me said Danneel was a real bitch and standoffish to fans" and they just believed it, and worse, probably passed that same statement to somebody else. A few bitchy, bitter fangirls could spread their spiteful cancer to others so easily, and infect the whole con. At least those silly enough to listen, and let wank become fact.

If Jensen didn't want her there, I doubt she would have been there. It's called support. Look it up. I don't know why I feel I need to come to her rescue or something. She's a grown woman, afterall. But I feel so bad for her. I can imagine some of the flying daggers that came her way, and I just wanna hug her and say those girls DO NOT represent the majority of fandom. Some of us are actually happy that he has someone who seems to love him, and is willing to attend con events and sit and watch the same play performance over and over and over to support her boyfriend.

I'm sorry. I'm in annoyed mode. I need to remember my own journal subtitle. Surviving fandom one day at a time.

Thanks to those who commented here about your own positive experience. It helps. Thanks, Felicia.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Glad my words of wisdom *snerk* helped. :-)

We've talked about my reservations regarding her chosen career path, but really, that and fan behavior toward her are two separate issues. So I don't really feel like I'm "defending" her so much as simply calling it like I see it and wishing people would stop blaming her for their own behavior. Ya know?

And although I do care about how she reflects on Jensen (more than I should, probably), what matters is that they like each other, they're friends, they're apparently in love, and they've been together for over two years. Bad fan behavior does nothing really but embarrass the individual fans displaying the behavior--seriously, I've talked to professional behind-the-scenes people, and individual fans do get reputations--and reflect poorly on the fanbase in general. That doesn't mean that if a fan doesn't like her, they have to lie and say glorious things about her. But a little common courtesy and not approaching her in a hostile manner (whether subtly or overtly) are not unreasonable expectations.

And, yeah, the prejudice that fan rumor generates is not. good. I've heard it said that before we gossip about someone (and that's what these rumors are--gossip), we should consider whether or not what we're saying is true, beneficial, and necessary. If it doesn't pass the first test--is it true?--that stops it right there. If it is true, is it beneficial? If it's not beneficial, is it necessary? If people would approach the spreading of rumors and gossip with this attitude, can you imagine the decrease in wank that would occur?

Yes, your LJ subtitle is most excellent and appropriate. I love it lots. Hee!

[gatorpez.livejournal.com]

I've read some stories of people who met her at the con who said she was nice and sweet, and I think that those who are bashing Danneel were just looking to find something wrong, and if something could be misinterpreted, they would misinterpret it.

There's one report where the girl asked security if they could remove Danneel from the con. The girl, of course, said she was joking. That's supposed to be funny? I hope Jensen didn't hear her "joking." She took a lot of photos of Danneel sitting back against the wall, too. So, to me, it looks like this girl was just looking to start wank.

As you said, based on what was said at the con, it appears that Jensen was only in town for about a day, so she wanted to be with him. I don't see the problem. *shrug*

Also, if Danneel had smiled at everyone, some people would say she was being fake. I just don't think Danneel can win with some people in this fandom.

However, I do like that there have been a lot of people coming out to post in support of Danneel (and Jensen). So, hopefully, the fandom as a whole doesn't come across as batshit crazy. :)

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Well, you and I have talked about the reservations I have regarding Danneel's chosen career path, but really, that has nothing to do with how fans treat her as a person, particularly in person.

Someone asked that she be removed? Oh. Wow. Well, having worked theater management myself, I can pretty much guarantee that if a patron asked that one of the artist's invited guests be removed? They would be summarily ignored, and then probably talked about in a incredulous and/or dismissive manner by the behind-the-scenes staff. Because, yeah. So not happening. (*tries to imagine a theater patron going up to one of our cops and asking that a singer's or author's family member be removed from behind the autograph line.* *imagines said cop's stunned expression followed by refusal.* *imagines listening to cop's animated retelling of nutty patron who asked that artist's family member be removed.*)

Oh, and I think you're absolutely right. She can't win. Some people just don't like her. What's important is that Jensen likes her. (Like I said, I hope they actually are genuinely good for each other.)

I don't really consider myself a "supporter" or a "detractor" of Danneel's. If she weren't dating Jensen, I wouldn't even know who she is. Like I said, I just calls it like I sees it and try to be tactful about it. Because in the end? Nothing I say or think really matters to them. I just . . . yeah, hope they know that they're only seeing a small percentage of the fanbase at these events, and we're not all nuts.

[kimmer1227.livejournal.com]

I know this is a pretty dead topic, but ran across this response to all the Danneel crap. Who knew Fandom Wank would be the voice of reason.

The link in the topic doesn't work anymore, but it's from the poster who wanted Danneel removed from the con. Anyway, the responses warmed my fandomsoul a little. Some are darn funny.

http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1202644.html

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

You wanna know one of the things that drives me abso-freakin'-lutely nuts about fandom? It's when they say things that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

Based on what I can piece together of the original post from the comments on the link you provided, it sounds like the original poster has no clue what goes on or might go on behind the scenes of . . . any sort of entertainment event. Case in point: If Danneel was counting how many autos J signed, and Creations should have had someone there doing it, gee, her count could have been a non-Creations confirmation of the number. I know when I've worked the merchandise table at theatrical events, it's always a good thing to have the road crew's merch person confirm my numbers. Good grief, it's in their best interest business-wise to make sure their numbers match with the numbers of the people who actually worked the table. We want an accurate count of everything so we get our proper percentage. They want a proper count to make sure they're not getting ripped off. Of course, I've never been in a situation where money changed hands based on the number of autographs the artist has signed, but I wouldn't say it never happens. Just because a fan who feels an unhealthy amount of entitlement thinks things should be a certain way doesn't mean that's the way the Biz actually works.

I'm glad this is starting to blow over. It ticks me off. As you can probably tell.

And the original poster sounds like she's insulting Jensen and his choice to have her there. And I am so not down with insulting Jensen. :-)

*deep breath*

[kimmer1227.livejournal.com]

You wanna know one of the things that drives me abso-freakin'-lutely nuts about fandom? It's when they say things that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

Amen. I wish I could say they were just a bunch of 14 year-old spoiled, hormonal, teenage girls with visions of being Mrs. Jensen Ackles, but I don't think that's the case. I think it's a simple outbreak of batshit crazy.

Insulting Jensen is cause for ass-whippin'. At least, personal insults are. Professional insults? ... Well that would just be loony.

[(Anonymous)]

I was brought to this link from google alerts and I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you for having some sense about that situation. Thank you for being able to see the other side of it.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Hello, anonymous person! Thanks for stopping by.

I don't know if anonymous posts receive replies, so I'm gonna reply, just in case. :-)

I just wanted to say thank you.

You're quite welcome. I have this nasty habit of trying to filter through the fandom spin to see what might really be going on and draw my own conclusions. I'm weird like that.