SPN finale question for the f-list

[feliciakw]

Okay, so. I recently saw a theory about "Let It Be Bleed," wherein the poser of said theory insists that Cas changed history when he did Lisa's memory wipe. According to this person, it's incredibly obvious that Cas didn't just wipe Lisa's memory, but also went back in time and prevented Lisa and Dean from ever meeting.

This theory bothers me immensely, for reasons I won't get into (unless someone wants to know). And in my limited wanderings of the internet, this is the only person I've seen to propose this "obvious" theory.

So, f-listies, did any of you get the impression or interpretation that Cas not only did a memory wipe but also changed history for everyone (except Dean, Sam, and Bobby)? 'Cause I certainly did not.

I'd particularly like to pose this question to Blacklid and Tahirire, since you ladies think way more outside the box than I do.

Comments

[tahirire.livejournal.com]

Ah, a summons! *ahem*

I do not believe that Cas changed the past. For one thing, in the Titanic episode we saw how drastic altering the past could end up being - altering DEAN'S past would be nothing short of suicidal on Cas's part - if Dean didn't grow up to be the man who went to Hell and needed to be saved, Cas would have never been set on HIS path, either. No ... I think it was just memories. A good example is, have you ever seen the Butterfly Effect? Ashton Kutcher's character always remembered every timeline (just like how Sam and Dean remember all of THEIR A/U timelines they've been in, like the Titanic Ep and the djinn world and the future), but the characters that he loved and was trying to save never did, they only remembered the one they were living in at that moment.

:)



Psst, also, it's 'Let it bleed'.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Exactly my point! If Dean had never met Lisa, that could potentially change or eliminate in any way, shape, or form how Dean's original weekend with Lisa affected where he was at any given time due to his being there at that particular time in that particular space.

I have not seen The Butterfly Effect, but I think I get the gist of the movie. And it really rather makes me ponder exactly what these other AUs have been to the boys. The only one that was truly an AU as I see it was the Titanic ep. WIaWSNB was more of a dream; it was all in Dean's head. "The End" was, I think, most likely a machination of Zach's. Or possibly a "potential" future. "Always in motion is the future," as Yoda says. The "real" world in TFM was an actual alternate reality (or angel invention), like criss-crossing wormholes. And for the Titanic AU, I tend to see their retention of the memories as more a knowledge of "what might have been," rather than actually carrying differing lifetimes of memories. (Growing up in a Mustang rather than the Impala, for example.)

Excellent. Thanks.

Also? Correction duly noted. I guess now you know what song runs through my head every time I see that title. Heh.