Interesting. We saw very different things in the relationship. The way I see it, Jensen has always played that Dean wants to be with Lisa (maybe not Lisa specifically at first, but he's always wanted a steady, committed relationship with a woman. At least since the end of S2. Possibly as far back as S1, if Cassie hadn't dumped him again). He's not blissfully happy--how could he be--but he cares about Lisa and Ben deeply, and they care about him. I don't know if you've read any of my old posts on this, but I've never expected them to be in OMG!You!Complete!Me! love. But they've been through some really deep stuff together, and there's a bond.
While I would have liked to hear them say, "I love you," I'm not surprised that they didn't. Dean doesn't really come out and say things point-blank like that. And I can see him being reluctant to put it into words, particularly with his history of losing people he loves. But it shows in his actions.
I didn't find it particularly baffling that they brought Lisa and Ben back. Until they actually say, in no uncertain terms, that it's completely over, leaving no opening whatsoever, I'm of the opinion that there's always a chance. For me, the truth spell conversation seemed pretty real and natural. Lisa didn't say anything I didn't already suspect or know, and none of it said to me that the door was closed, never to be opened again.
Lisa did a pretty good job of explaining her reaction to Dean's sudden appearance at her door in "Mannequin," and "I'm trying to get over you," is as much as saying "I'm in love with you." Which apparently came as new information to Dean. Basically, Matt was a rebound, a distraction, an attempt to move on from Dean. But I get the impression that ever since Dean showed up in TKAA (and saved her and Ben's lives), she's been in love with him. I didn't see M3 as a retcon . Lisa is in love with Dean, that's never been a secret, and it makes sense to me that even though she hung up on him, she'd cool down and try to call him.
Poor Lisa, in love with a man who can't give her the quiet, safe life she wants.
Neither was I surprised that Dean had almost called her back many times. We saw that in the first half of the season, how he'd scroll to her number on his phone, but not hit dial. What I did want to smack him upside the head for was not picking up her call. But again, I can see why he wouldn't, in that it would make him vulnerable, and he doesn't think he's good enough for them.
People who love each other not communicating with each other is very realistic. And not talking about it is practically SOP for the Winchesters.
I'm glad I didn't hear Ben Edlund's comments on the topic. I try not to read or listen to writer interviews and comments until I've seen the finished product. Because what they say and what ends up on my TV screen aren't always the same thing.
Regarding Jensen's thoughts on the matter, I'd be so very interested to talk to him about this. I know he had issues with playing "softer," which I though he handled beautifully and found a perfect balance. He also said (at the end of S5) that he would like to play something along the lines of the guy in The Hurt Locker, when he came home from Iraq and couldn't find his place. That's precisely what they were doing with Dean at the beginning of the season, with Dean having better results than the dude in HL. I'd be interested to know what he thought specifically of playing opposite Cindy Sampson. I'd like to tell him that I loved seeing this side of Dean, and seeing Dean in such different circumstances.
I suppose I should just get used to the fact that "no one" likes Dean with Lisa and Ben. It's very disheartening for me, and I'm apparently seeing deeper layers there that no one else sees.
Oh, and don't even get me started on the memory-wipe. I cried my eyes out for 20 minutes at the end of the Dr. Who season where they did that to my favorite character. I don't know if my heart could take the memory of Dean being wiped from the minds of people he loves.
We'll just have to wait and see. Just writing all this out has made me feel better about it.
(I hope this post makes sense. I've been multitasking while writing it.)
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Date: 2011-04-20 02:16 am (UTC)While I would have liked to hear them say, "I love you," I'm not surprised that they didn't. Dean doesn't really come out and say things point-blank like that. And I can see him being reluctant to put it into words, particularly with his history of losing people he loves. But it shows in his actions.
I didn't find it particularly baffling that they brought Lisa and Ben back. Until they actually say, in no uncertain terms, that it's completely over, leaving no opening whatsoever, I'm of the opinion that there's always a chance. For me, the truth spell conversation seemed pretty real and natural. Lisa didn't say anything I didn't already suspect or know, and none of it said to me that the door was closed, never to be opened again.
Lisa did a pretty good job of explaining her reaction to Dean's sudden appearance at her door in "Mannequin," and "I'm trying to get over you," is as much as saying "I'm in love with you." Which apparently came as new information to Dean. Basically, Matt was a rebound, a distraction, an attempt to move on from Dean. But I get the impression that ever since Dean showed up in TKAA (and saved her and Ben's lives), she's been in love with him. I didn't see M3 as a retcon . Lisa is in love with Dean, that's never been a secret, and it makes sense to me that even though she hung up on him, she'd cool down and try to call him.
Poor Lisa, in love with a man who can't give her the quiet, safe life she wants.
Neither was I surprised that Dean had almost called her back many times. We saw that in the first half of the season, how he'd scroll to her number on his phone, but not hit dial. What I did want to smack him upside the head for was not picking up her call. But again, I can see why he wouldn't, in that it would make him vulnerable, and he doesn't think he's good enough for them.
People who love each other not communicating with each other is very realistic. And not talking about it is practically SOP for the Winchesters.
I'm glad I didn't hear Ben Edlund's comments on the topic. I try not to read or listen to writer interviews and comments until I've seen the finished product. Because what they say and what ends up on my TV screen aren't always the same thing.
Regarding Jensen's thoughts on the matter, I'd be so very interested to talk to him about this. I know he had issues with playing "softer," which I though he handled beautifully and found a perfect balance. He also said (at the end of S5) that he would like to play something along the lines of the guy in The Hurt Locker, when he came home from Iraq and couldn't find his place. That's precisely what they were doing with Dean at the beginning of the season, with Dean having better results than the dude in HL. I'd be interested to know what he thought specifically of playing opposite Cindy Sampson. I'd like to tell him that I loved seeing this side of Dean, and seeing Dean in such different circumstances.
I suppose I should just get used to the fact that "no one" likes Dean with Lisa and Ben. It's very disheartening for me, and I'm apparently seeing deeper layers there that no one else sees.
Oh, and don't even get me started on the memory-wipe. I cried my eyes out for 20 minutes at the end of the Dr. Who season where they did that to my favorite character. I don't know if my heart could take the memory of Dean being wiped from the minds of people he loves.
We'll just have to wait and see. Just writing all this out has made me feel better about it.
(I hope this post makes sense. I've been multitasking while writing it.)