One more post, and then to bed

[feliciakw]

I'm gutted. The last time I was this depressed over a TV show was when Donna left Dr. Who. At least then, I got to have a good cry over it. Haven't had that luxury.

The comments are starting to trickle in, and I just . . . can't get behind much of any of it. I can't hate this episode because there was good stuff there. I don't love this episode because it hit some of my personal buttons, and the ending. The ending.

I read on one of the forums that some people are hypothesizing that that was supposed to be Sam's spirit there at the end, watching over his brother. If that's how Kripke would have ended it . . . I could see it, but I just . . . My heart hurts.

I just don't know what to make of it. I know it's coming back next season, but seriously, I feel like this was the end of it tonight. And I can't say that I loved how it ended. (Kripke wrote the teleplay for this one, but he didn't write the story. I didn't recognize the story writer's name. Was this his first ep? And why would they give the season/theoretical series finale to a newbie?)

I'm just . . . gutted. Depressed and gutted.

I hope I can sleep tonight. I should. Sleep is my preferred mode of escape when I'm depressed.

Comments

[kimmer1227.livejournal.com]

I think I'm good with the ending, minus my slight issue with the Lisa situation, because I'm happy:

Dean didn't even attempt to sacrifice himself again for his brother

Dean kept his promise

Sam got to be heroic

Cas got his wings back, even though the idea of human!Cas was appealing

I have more problems with god!Chuck than anything, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I need to rewatch, but the emotional peaks were just too awesome for me to think negatively of the episode.

I forgot to mention Sam's "spirit". If this had been a series finale, I may have felt that way, but knowing it's coming back, I'm taking it as Sam in the flesh.

What I'm going to ponder on is if it WAS a series finale, would I be satisfied with the ending.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

I'm okay with the Lisa ending, because really, that's the only option Dean has at this point, I think. There might be forthcoming Lisa POV fic . . . Dean's been talking to me through her quite a bit since last night.

Dean kept his promise: I would expect nothing less.

Sam got to be heroic: Yes, he did. I just wish he could have won.

Chuck as God . . . I'll leave that rant for my long review. In a nutshell, it added nothing to the overall Winchester story and was a blatant "atta boy" to Kripke--who wrote the teleplay.

Cas got his wings back: Quite possibly the best part of the outcome at the cemetery. I loved Cas when he first came on the scene, and I'm thrilled he's been restored to his former angelic glory.

I just got done watching the end again *wipes tears* and I've got an . . . interesting theory . . . that that's Sam--without any sort of memory. A blank slate, whose only instinct is to find Dean. I find Jared's complete neutrality of expression interesting . . . and leaves it open for that to be pretty much anything.

I don't know if I'd like this as a series finale. Such things are always sad to my way of thinking. And I might be satisfied with the idea of Sam sacrificing himself, then coming back to watch over Dean, who has spent his life watching over Sam. Not sure if I'd watch it again, though.

I'll save the rest for my long rambly.

[crushinator67.livejournal.com]

I'm surprised you can even read forum stuff. I just can't bring myself to do it. My overall experience with SPN fans is fantastic, but I can honestly say the only opinion about the show I care about is my own and I find reading other people's disappointments just makes me sad.

That said, I agree with you for the most part. I hadn't considered that being Sam's spirit, because I know there's going to be a next season. I kind of imagine Sam pulling himself from the pit, hence the electrical disturbance. But maybe I'm just overly optimistic.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

I don't, as a general rule, visit the free-for-all forums. (I will not go to TWoP, for example. That place has been a bad experience for me in the past.) But if a thread title on IMDB sounds interesting, I'll give it a click. Often I get upset with those, also, but someone put forth the notion that that was supposed to be Sam's spirit. Which, if this had been the end of the series, I could see.

Because you're right, my own opinion of show is the most important to me, followed by one or two RL friends, followed by some of my f-listies.

I need to rewatch the ep after the initial emotional whammy has subsided.

[crushinator67.livejournal.com]

my own opinion of show is the most important to me, followed by one or two RL friends, followed by some of my f-listies.

So with you on that one.

I don't know if my emotional whammy will ever subside!! I hope they rush the DVDs, so I will have more than a week to watch the whole season over again. Aw, who am I kidding, I will only need a couple of days to do that.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

I looked up Eric "Giz" Gewirtz and came up with a bunch of video game creation stuff. Has Kripke ever worked on video games?

I'd really hate to see Dean making Lisa and Ben miserable. I appreciate the idea of--had this been the series finale--Dean gets his "normal" and Sam watches over him, in the same manner that Dean has watched over Sam their entire lives. I don't think he'll "stay" with her, but I really don't want their split to be because everyone is miserable.

Dean has been trying to talk to me through Lisa since I went to bed last night (I didn't sleep very well, btw--thanks, Kripke. Thanks a lot), so there might be fic forthcoming in the next few days.

[zillah975]

*waves* I wandered over here from your comment at kroki_refur's fic, and I don't know if this will help at all, but I think when Kripke thought they were going to end at season 5, his plan was to kill both Sam and Dean. So, it would have been both of them going into the pit together. Or, more likely, vanquishing evil and heading to heaven.

The real one, I mean, not that cheap knock-off that they pretended was heaven in that ep with Zachariah and Ash and Pamela.

I've been pondering that final shot.

So, there's Dean, drinking a high-ball glass of whiskey at the dinner table and clearly looking miserable. And then the streetlight bzzts out and there's Sam. Now, my first thought was, does this mean Sam's a demon? But I think if he were, they wouldn't have been able to resist showing us some funky eye thing -- black or red or what or silver or who knows, but something. So, now I'm thinking maybe he's...just back. Normal. Or, mostly normal. As normal as you can be once you've played host to Lucifer.

Okay, maybe more normal than that.

And when you factor in that they already ended the apocalypse, so it wouldn't make sense to have Sam be a demon or Lucifer...and. I mean, I have no clue where they're thinking of taking it from here. But I don't think that's Sam's spirit, and I don't think he's come back evil, or a ghost, or...anything like that. Idk.

And I just, I really don't think Kripke's going to leave his beloved Dean drinking the rest of his life away and becoming the alcoholic asshole dad that he would almost inevitably become if something doesn't change.

I.

Yeah. I kind of have seriously mixed feelings about this one.

:/

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

Hello there! Welcome! Thanks for the words of encouragement.

In all honesty, I'm not really convinced Kripke had a clear vision of how he wanted to end it. There are several options that I wouldn't have put past him.

1. S & D as hosts and jump into the cage together.

2. S & D as hosts, Michael defeats Lucifer, Michael keeps his promise not to fry Dean's circuits.

2a. Michael doesn't fry Dean's circuits and he restores Sam. (Yeah, that one seems way too cheery for Kripke.)

3. That was Sam's ghost at the end, watching over Dean in the same way that Dean has always watched over Sam.

That's all if this had been the end of the series.

As it is, I think Sam's expression at the end was incredibly neutral. No anger, no happiness . . . just incredibly neutral. Which means they could go anywhere with it. My first impression of the neutrality is that that is indeed Sam--minus any memory of anything that has ever happened, and his only instinct is find Dean.

I really don't want Dean to leave Lisa and Ben because they're all miserable. Yes, Dean is going to have an incredible sadness in him for the rest of his life. (Or until next season. Heh.) But I want to believe that Dean could rise above that, at least to some extent, and if not be "happy" at least not make those around him miserable. I mean, I don't expect him to "stay" with Lisa, given that there will be a S6. But I don't want them to split because Dean's making them miserable. Ya know?

I usually do a long write-up for each ep after I've reviewed my iTunes download. If you'd like to come back on Sunday or Monday and read it, you're more than welcome to.

Thanks for stopping by. :-)

[mtee.livejournal.com]

I'm happy with Lisa.. we all loved Lisa in the beginning. She is one lady who truly knows what Dean is dealing with. Well she may not know everything.. but she does know there's dark things out there. She does not have any expectation.. in my opinion. She takes Dean as he is.

And my heart hurts but is full that Dean is trying to carry out his promise to Sam. That's the greatest thing he can do.. to respect his brother's wishes to be the person, live the life his brother wanted for him.

I liked it.. I'm satisfied.

and with this fandom.. and really any heavily invested one (Stargate comes to mind) there will be some who will NEVER be satisfied.. I ignore them. They are like the people you meet in your life who always criticize something.