SPN - 6.08

[feliciakw]

Interesting ep. Functional. New monster. Got some insight into how Sam's brain is working. Reception blacked out during the final emotesposition.

I totally understand where Jensen's frustration was coming from when giving that interview he gave during the shooting of this ep. The one he had to clarify because of the meltdown. And his asking Sera to give Sam his soul back. Jensen has often talked in the past about how difficult it is when he doesn't have that brother dynamic to play off of with Jared. I recall him mentioning it during WIaWSNB. And now, with this season, we're up to 8 eps wherein he's working without that dynamic. I get the clear impression that he misses it, and he wants it back.

I'm finding this "new" Sam interesting, but I miss the brother dynamic, too, and will be very happy to get it back.

Also, it's interesting that now Dean is relating to the monsters who don't want to be monsters.

That's all for now.

ETA: Sorry. I shouldn't have said anything. I don't speak for anyone but myself, and I only speak from my own experiences and observations. Only Jensen knows for sure what he thinks and how he feels about anything. For me to try to explain why I think he might have said what he said, to explain my impressions of it, is rather pointless. Particularly when I can't do it well. I shouldn't have mentioned it.

Comments

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

I'm just going by what Jensen has said. He has said that it's weird/difficult/challenging to work without that dynamic that he's grown comfortable with and depends on, playing off of Jared in the brother dynamic. Of course he can play the dynamics that are written, but that doesn't mean he doesn't miss the old dynamic that he worked on and counted on for years.

I don't find soulless Sam uninteresting. Of course, I've watched other shows where lack of soul has been a topic of the show (Data on ST:TNG, for example, who was always trying to figure out how to be human, trying to understand emotions, etc.). This is a different approach to the topic--colder, more pragmatic. Maybe Jensen does find it uninteresting. Maybe he doesn't think it will work in the big picture or the long run. I don't know, because he hasn't said. But he has said that when he doesn't have the brother dynamic to work with and play off of with Jared, it's strange and challenging. And I can understand why he would miss it. Just going by what he's said in the past, I think that's where some of this frustration might have come from at that point in time.

Of course, I could be wrong. Only Jensen knows for sure.

I think this soulless business is an interesting storyline for now, though for me it is difficult to watch, because it hurts Dean so. I want to see Sam get his soul back, and for them to rebuild the brother relationship.

[leelust.livejournal.com]

That's the thing - challenging and Jensen always said he likes challenge. I can see him missing that dynamics but otoh playing the same dynamics for 6 years? It bores you no matter how much thought you put in it.

As for *soulless* storyline i just don't find it logically written. I have an idea when it all can work but i'm not sure the show will go there and if not then there's no logic because Sam feels when it fits the story and doesn't feel when it fits the story and i can't follow that all over the place writing.
There's the reason why i don't like sociopths. i don't watch Dexter because of it.

[feliciakw.livejournal.com]

That's the thing - challenging and Jensen always said he likes challenge. I can see him missing that dynamics but otoh playing the same dynamics for 6 years? It bores you no matter how much thought you put in it.

I feel like I'm not explaining myself and how I'm understanding Jensen's words very well, and that we've lost the point of the original conversation. We obviously see things very differently, and understand his words differently. I'm not sure if you understand where I'm coming from, or if you simply don't agree. Either way, I think we've probably come to the end of the conversation as to what Jensen meant when he gave that interview. We each can only see and perceive his words through our own understanding, which is different. I've said all I can say, explained my thoughts and point of view to the best of my ability, and saying anything more would just be repeating what I've already said.

It doesn't really matter anyway.

In the future, I think I'll try to refrain from sharing my insight and interpretation of what Jensen says about such "controversial" things unless specifically asked.

As for the soulless storyline, I don't see it being illogically written. Rather, we continue to have information given to us that requires us to re-think what's come before.

Sam feels when it fits the story and doesn't feel when it fits the story

That's not really how I see it. Rather, the more we learn, the more we discover that Sam has been acting, displaying the feelings he knows are expected, but not really feeling them. Like in the season opener, he really looked like he cared about Lisa and Ben, if for no other reason than Dean cared about Lisa and Ben. Now we know that he doesn't, which means he was acting. That's not a contradiction; that's additional information revealed to us.

And actually, these reveals are in keeping with how I've been reading things since the beginning of the season.